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06.08.2015 (Karsten Serck)
Der "Extended Cut" von "Der Hobbit - Die Schlacht der Fünf Heere" wird doch nicht ganz so lang wie erwartet ausfallen und in Deutschland mit der gleichen Altersfreigabe wie die Kinofassung veröffentlicht. Diese Information ergibt sich aus dem gestern veröffentlichten Ergebnis der FSK-Prüfung für den im Herbst auf Blu-ray Disc & DVD geplanten "Extended Cut" des dritten Teils der "Hobbit"-Trilogie. Während Peter Jackson noch im Rahmen der Presse-Tour zum Kinostart erklärte hatte, dass der "Extended Cut" rund 30 Minuten mehr Laufzeit bieten soll, sind daraus laut FSK-Freigabe etwas weniger als 20 zusätzliche Minuten geworden. Die Laufzeit des "Extended Cut" beträgt demnach 163:56 Minuten (Blu-ray Disc mit 24 fps). In der Kinofassung war "Der Hobbit - Die Schlacht der Fünf Heere" 144:17 Minuten lang. Die FSK bleibt auch bei der Langfassung unverändert bei ihrer Freigabe ab 12 Jahren. Nennenswerte Unterschiede, die für die Altersfreigabe relevant sind, scheint man bei der FSK nicht gesehen zu haben. In der Freigabebegründung wird einfach auf die frühere Erklärung zur Kinofassung verwiesen.
Bei der amerikanischen MPAA sah man die Langfassung des Hobbit-Finales hingegen etwas kritischer und hat diese mit einem höheren "R-Rating" statt dem PG-13 für die Kinofassung freigegeben. Bei der MPAA begründet man dies mit einer etwas intensiveren Gewaltdarstellung.
Lange Zeit galt die MPAA in Bezug auf Gewalt toleranter als die FSK. Das trifft heutzutage aber nicht mehr unbedingt zu. Denn bei der FSK wird nicht nur die Gewaltdarstellung an sich als Kriterium herangezogen, sondern auch der Kontext und daher erhalten Filme, bei denen die Geschichte eindeutig als Fiktion zu erkennen ist, inzwischen sehr oft auch eine FSK 12-Freigabe.
Warner wird den "Extended Cut" von "Der Hobbit - Die Schlacht der Fünf Heere" voraussichtlich Mitte November auf Blu-ray Disc & DVD veröffentlichen. Ein genaues Datum ist bislang noch nicht bekannt. Laut amazon.co.uk soll in England die Langfassung von "The Hobbit: The Battle Of The Five Armies" ab dem 16.11.2015 erhältlich sein. Mit einer zeitnahen Blu-ray Disc & DVD-Veröffentlichung inklusive 3D-Version ist auch hierzulande zu rechnen. Parallel zum letzten Teil von Peter Jacksons Hobbit-Trilogie in der Langfassung wird Warner auch eine Komplett-Box mit allen drei Filmen als "Extended Editions" veröffentlichen.
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Release: Nov 18, 2013 - Author: Muck47 - Translator: TheHutt - external link: IMDB Comparison between the Theatrical Version and the Extended Version, both represented by German Blu-Rays by Warner Bros (both versions are contained in separate releases). - 19
differences, inclusive: Difference: 773.5 Sec (= 12:54 Min) BackgroundAbout 9 years after the finale of the phenomenal Lord of the Rings trilogy, Peter Jackson's next adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien's book was released. And although the literary original had a considerably smaller amount of material (~ 300 pages as opposed to ~1200 pages of LOTR), the decision was made to split the material in order to make three movies, released in theaters around Christmas time. As you could read in the news, originally just a two-movie version was planned; however, Peter Jackson managed to convince the studio to produce one more film. This three-movie split as well as usage of the new HFR 3D technology (which employs a double frame rate than usual for playback and thus creates a different look) caused some criticism among the audiences. Some of the rather feared aspects of the first film were actually confirmed by the final result: Thorin's company sets out for the Lonely Mountain well after 40 minutes into the movie; also, the real plot does not start until the second half of the film, after arrival to Rivendell. On the other hand, one has to admit that the Appendices from The Return of the King were used quite skilfully in order to create meaningful extensions and turn the original children's book into a version more suitable for adults. Generally, although the movie has some lengths, it does guarantee a joyful experience for almost every fan striving to dive into Middle-Earth once again. Based on past experiences and the immense audience potential, it was not hard to predict a release of a longer Extended Version, just like it was the case with the Lord of the Rings movies (although, due to the shortness of the original Hobbit book, there could be doubts about it). As you also can look up in older news, this version was actually announced by Warner as early as October 2012 - even before the theatrical release of the first film. However, this announcement was pulled back immediately - probably because of possible impact on theatrical boxoffice. A definitive announcement came a bit later, in December 2012. And now, a year later and just before the theatrical release of The Desolation of Smaug, the time has finally come... Changes in the Extended VersionAs for the possible criticisms of the long exposition listed above, most of the changes actually take part in the second half of the film. At the beginning, there is an extension in Erebor. Thror teases Thranduil with the Arkenstone a bit more. This way, the deep animosity between the Elves and Dwarves can be understood slightly better. Added dialogues with Gandalf in Rivendell are an improvement for understanding the story. For instance, the last of the 7 Great Rings of the Dwarves is mentioned. It will have a meaning at a latter point in the story - therefore, it is quite unclear why it was removed from the theatrical version. There is also a better exposition for the dwarf Bifur - for example, the axe stuck in his head is mentioned - an unusual device which was just taken for granted in the Theatrical version. However we have to admit that the changes in The Hobbit do not have the same impact or satisfaction for fans of the literary original as the ones for the Lord of the Rings saga. Apparently, there was already enough opportunities to adapt the (not too extensive) book material even for the theatrical version. An added song at the table is rather superfluous, a musical performance by the Great Goblin is even unnerving, and Bilbo's fascinated glance at the Ring is probably a bit too intense for his current character development. Some of the new scenes are rather a matter of taste; anyway, it is rather obvious that the filmmakers could not add as much valuable information to The Hobbit, as it was the case with Jackson's previous trilogy. Ultimately, the Extended Version is mostly intended for fans who just cannot get enough of Tolkien's universe. Even though some of the new scenes are helpful to "round up" the overall experience, a casual viewer might would not lose too much by watching the theatrical version. However, due to quite extensive special features, the Extended Version should become the preferred version for those interested in the films. A rather annoying side note: In scenes where Azog the Orc or the Elves speak their languages, English subtitles are hard-coded into the picture - just like the theatrical version DVD/BluRay. For those who watch the films in English this might be alright; however, when watching the film in a different language, foreign subtitles are added additionally to the English ones. This should not be necessary, as the iTunes version which was released some weeks before the DVD/BluRay proves: for that version, a clean picture master without English subtitles was used. The time indexes are specified by the scheme: 04:11-04:12 / 04:11-04:56 In the Theatrical Version the shot of Thranduil is slightly longer (he turns his head a little more to the side). The Extended Version the shot changes to a view of Thror. Thranduil is presented with a jewel case full of white gems. As he is about to touch it, the case is clapped shut before Thranduil's very nose. Thror looks determined; Thranduil leaves, enraged. Additionally, we see a shot of Bilbo's face at the end. This scene is commented by Bilbo: "As the great wealth of the Dwarves grew their store of good will ran thin. No one knows exactly what began the rift. The Elves say the Dwarves stole their treasure. The Dwarves tell another tale. They say the Elf King refused to give them their rightful pay. It is sad, Frodo, how old alliances can be broken. How friendships between peoples can be lost. And for what?" Extended Version longer by 44.3 sec Because the Extended Version offers a more extensive explanation, the next shot of Bilbo (which occurs in both versions) has the following off-comment only in the Theatrical Version: "But the years of peace and plenty were not to last." Re-edited scene During Smaug's attack, a shot of the people of Dale running around has been moved to a latter moment in the Extended Version. No time difference 06:18 / 07:02-07:08 Girion takes a shot at Smaug; however, the iron arrow just bounces off. (Note: the off-comment "Such wanton death was dealt that day." is put in the Extended Version over this scene; in the Theatrical Version it occured some seconds earlier.) 6.1 sec Alternative Scene In the shot where Smaug chases the dwarves in the Mountain (just as he passes Thorin on his way in), in the Theatrical Version, he tramples on the dwarves with his front pair of paws. In the Extended Version, he does it with the claws at the bends of his wings. Same shot, but the CGI is changed respectively. No time difference
08:49-08:52 / 09:39-10:11 After the exposition of the source of Thorin's animosity towards Thranduil, the Theatrical Version changes to black after Thorin's last hammer beat. Then, a harmonic view of Hobbiton is faded in. The Extended Version changes from the last hammer beat to a shot of fireworks in the sky. We see Gandalf in action, presenting his magic powers far away from Erebor, at Old Took's party. He is approached by a little
boy who turns out to be little Bilbo. Bilbo's off-comment: "Far away, in another corner of the world dragons were only make-believe. A party trick conjured by Wizards on Midsummer's Eve. No more frightening than fairy dust. And that, my dear Frodo is where I come in. It was the beginning of an unlikely friendship that has lasted all my life." Extended Version longer by 28.8 sec During the camera track to Bilbo's house we hear the following off-comment in the Extended Version only: "But it is not the start of my story. For me it began..." Theatrical version longer / Re-edited scene The Theatrical Version shows Bilbo's home at the top of the hill for a moment longer and contains some additional shots of him inside. The second one has been used in the Extended Version before. Here we hear a different transition to Bilbo's part in the story, as an off-comment: "For, quite by chance, and the will of a Wizard fate decided I would become part of this tale." + 9.4 sec 16:17-16:18 / 17:27-18:44 After Gandalf has marked the door and
left, the Extended Version features an additional scene at day. Bilbo goes to a little market in Hobbiton. The people there (some of them are familiar faces in cameo roles) are just like you can expect them in Hobbiton: happy, hard-working and a little bit clumsy at times. In the theatrical version, the next shot starts slightly earlier (not illustrated). Farmer(Mr. Worrywort): "Hello, Mr. Bilbo. Here. Have a feel of me tubers. Nice and firm, they are. Just come in from West Farthing." Extended Version 76.2 sec longer 20:52 / 23:17-23:42 The shot of the food disappearing from Bilbo's pantry is longer; Bilbo stumbles helplessly around the house and meets Bifur. Oin tells him (and the viewer) about the axe in Bifur's head. The next shot of the merry gathering starts earlier than in the Theatrical version that cuts in in the middle of it. Bilbo tries desperately to save his food and drink; "Excuse me, that's my chicken. Um... if... If you don't... That's my wine. Excuse me!" 24.5 sec 82:24 / 85:14-85:38 As they walk through the chasm, there is a small talk between Gandalf and Bilbo, where the latter reveals that he can feel magic around. Bilbo: "Gandalf. Where are we?" 24.8 sec 87:45 / 90:59-91:39 The dwarves sit at the table some longer. Kili flirts with an Elvish harpist and tries to explain himself in front of his fellows. Then he points at an Elf-maid he seems to like; however, Dwalin tells him that this Elf is actually male. The dwarves laugh heartily. Kili: "Can't say I fancy Elf maids myself. Too thin. They're all high cheekbones and creamy skin. Not enough facial hair for me. Although... That one there's not bad." 39.6 sec Alternative Scene In the Extended Version the previous shot is slightly longer. Then, Elrond asks in an alternative take: "And what were you doing on the Great East Road?" In the Theatrical Version we see a shot of Thorin and the scene ends. Theatrical Version Extended Version Elrond: "Thirteen Dwarves and a Halfling. Hm. Strange traveling companions, Gandalf." Extended Version 86.1 sec longer 93:42 / 99:02-101:39 After Azog sends his people on the way, there is a new scene at daylight. Bilbo strolls through the rooms of Rivendell and sees the broken sword Narsil and a painting with Sauron wearing the
One Ring. After that he walks out, enjoying the fresh air. Elrond joins him. They talk about what is known about Elves and Hobbits. Elrond also tells him that Bilbo is welcome to stay here in Rivendell. Elrond: "Not with your companions?"
Lindir (Elvish, subtitled): "The kitchen's under enormous strain, we are almost out of wine. How long do you think they will be with us?" 157.3 sec 94:08-94:09 / 102:05-103:13 In the Extended Version, there is a camera move from the dwarves up to Bilbo who
is still strolling around Rivendell. He overhears a dialogue between Gandalf and Elrond which explains the motivations of these characters. Elrond has doubts about Thorin, because of his ancestry; suddenly, Thorin is revealed to be standing behind Bilbo, overhearing the scene as well. Gandalf: "Of course I was
going to tell you. I was waiting for this very chance. And really, I think you can trust that I know what I am doing." Extended Version 67.3 sec longer 96:04 / 105:09-105:56 Gandalf and Saruman talk slightly longer about the meaning of the seventh ring of the Dwarves: Gandalf is worried about its whereabouts. Saruman, however, sees no reason to worry, as he considers it meaningless without the One Ring which he supposes to be ultimately lost. Gandalf: "Does it not worry you that the last of the Dwarf rings should simply vanish, along with its
bearer? Of the seven Dwarf rings, four were consumed by dragons two were taken by Sauron before he fell in Mordor. The fate of the last Dwarf ring remains unknown. The ring that was worn by Thrain." 47.3 sec Theatrical Version longer As the dwarves are pushed by the Goblins over a small bridge, the Extended Version is missing a shot from the side. + 5,2 sec Alternative Scene Before the Goblin King starts talking to the dwarves, both versions contain alternate scenes; the Extended Version features an additional song performed by the Goblin King. Theatrical Version Various shots of Thorin being pushed forward to the Goblin King in front of the goblin crowd. Extended Version The other dwarves try to resist a bit more. Then they get surprised by the noise, as the song is about to start. Goblin King: "I feel a song coming on..." Extended Version 120 sec longer Theatrical Version longer / Re-edited scene As the scene of the Goblin King standing up on the backs of his servants has been used in the song scene in the Extended Version, it is shown only in the Theatrical Version at this moment. + 2,2 sec 115:09-115:11 / 126:53-127:15 To the shock of the dwarves, the Goblin King finds several valuable objects from Rivendell, stolen by Nori. Therefore he deducts that there must be some alliance between the dwarves and the Elves. The next shot is trimmed by two seconds in the Extended Version for continuity reasons, i.e. it starts 2 seconds earlier in the Theatrical Version (not illustrated). One of the Goblins called Grinnah says: "It is my belief, your great protuberance, that they are in league with Elves!" Extended Version 19.3 sec longer Alternative Scene In the Extended Version there are more antics by the dwarves which are the reason for the Goblin King to lose his patience. In the Theatrical Version he is enraged by their silence. Oin: "Don't worry, lads � I'll handle this" The Theatrical Version shows the silent dwarves, and the Goblin King says off-camera: "Speak!" Extended Version 48.7 sec longer After "If they will not talk, we'll make am squawk" both versions are identical. |